the update is too op even for mages

[Wave115]

For over a year all the time i hear:
archer is trash-he needs a buff, then update and bum-archer is too OP he needs a nerf,
mage is trash-he needs a buff, then update and bum-mage is too OP he needs a nerf.
What's gonna be next? huge buff for gunman? You guys press too much on each class and that's what you get in the end.
If anyone gonna say something about warrior being too OP now-start playing as one, def and power are main and only atributes of a warrior and not a single range attack so no he don't need any nerf.

So you think you having 1mil+ damage output as a warrior vs me having 60k damage output as a mage is balanced? Even tho mage attacks the same as a warrior does? (besides clouds which are limited to 2 now so you cant fully use them to grind anymore). Mage also uses mp just to attack normally and still with my attack field active I only have less than 60k damage output with 150 magic stat.

Honestly-yes. That 1M is only on rage which in my case makes me 30% slower than normal so the cost is high. Also while you can passively kill multiple mobs with you skills i have to walk nearby every enemy to kill it. No matter what anyone will say about warrior beiing too OP i have one simple answer-i you think he is so OP-start playing as one.

I agree with Geralt here, Warrior's bad movement speed balances him out with high damage

[masnam]

For over a year all the time i hear:
archer is trash-he needs a buff, then update and bum-archer is too OP he needs a nerf,
mage is trash-he needs a buff, then update and bum-mage is too OP he needs a nerf.
What's gonna be next? huge buff for gunman? You guys press too much on each class and that's what you get in the end.
If anyone gonna say something about warrior being too OP now-start playing as one, def and power are main and only atributes of a warrior and not a single range attack so no he don't need any nerf.

So you think you having 1mil+ damage output as a warrior vs me having 60k damage output as a mage is balanced? Even tho mage attacks the same as a warrior does? (besides clouds which are limited to 2 now so you cant fully use them to grind anymore). Mage also uses mp just to attack normally and still with my attack field active I only have less than 60k damage output with 150 magic stat.

I agree that rage needs a nerf but the 1m damage is also heavily reliant on lifeless crush which he was using.

[GeraltOfRivia]

For over a year all the time i hear:
archer is trash-he needs a buff, then update and bum-archer is too OP he needs a nerf,
mage is trash-he needs a buff, then update and bum-mage is too OP he needs a nerf.
What's gonna be next? huge buff for gunman? You guys press too much on each class and that's what you get in the end.
If anyone gonna say something about warrior being too OP now-start playing as one, def and power are main and only atributes of a warrior and not a single range attack so no he don't need any nerf.

So you think you having 1mil+ damage output as a warrior vs me having 60k damage output as a mage is balanced? Even tho mage attacks the same as a warrior does? (besides clouds which are limited to 2 now so you cant fully use them to grind anymore). Mage also uses mp just to attack normally and still with my attack field active I only have less than 60k damage output with 150 magic stat.

I agree that rage needs a nerf but the 1m damage is also heavily reliant on lifeless crush which he was using.

In fact that's only on maxed rage without lifeless crush. And no it don't need any nerf. High lvl archers with arrow hoard can kill beatle as effective as i can on rage. Those skills are supposed to give warrior advantage over other classes as the main attribute of that class. Deal with it and stop complaining about warrior beiing too OP, like i said before you think warrior is the best class-become one.

[masnam]

So you think you having 1mil+ damage output as a warrior vs me having 60k damage output as a mage is balanced? Even tho mage attacks the same as a warrior does? (besides clouds which are limited to 2 now so you cant fully use them to grind anymore). Mage also uses mp just to attack normally and still with my attack field active I only have less than 60k damage output with 150 magic stat.

I agree that rage needs a nerf but the 1m damage is also heavily reliant on lifeless crush which he was using.

In fact that's only on maxed rage without lifeless crush. And no it don't need any nerf. High lvl archers with arrow hoard can kill beatle as effective as i can on rage. Those skills are supposed to give warrior advantage over other classes as the main attribute of that class. Deal with it and stop complaining about warrior beiing too OP, like i said before you think warrior is the best class-become one.

I am a warrior. Also, rage is too op. 14x damage is way too high. Like Jakub has said multiple times it should add additively which would be 7x instead of multiplicative which is 14x. Also, low level warriors can one shot beetles.

[viitrix]

I agree that rage needs a nerf but the 1m damage is also heavily reliant on lifeless crush which he was using.

In fact that's only on maxed rage without lifeless crush. And no it don't need any nerf. High lvl archers with arrow hoard can kill beatle as effective as i can on rage. Those skills are supposed to give warrior advantage over other classes as the main attribute of that class. Deal with it and stop complaining about warrior beiing too OP, like i said before you think warrior is the best class-become one.

I am a warrior. Also, rage is too op. 14x damage is way too high. Like Jakub has said multiple times it should add additively which would be 7x instead of multiplicative which is 14x. Also, low level warriors can one shot beetles.

Yea there is no way to justify the current state of warriors. Level 30 warriors that oneshot beetles and takes 0 dmg from them is not balanced

[Flashlight237]

As a Warrior myself, even I think 14.1x base damage is a bit much. Bear in mind, that was after doing an entire breakdown on Skill DPS with controlled simulations on Excel in response to the community's concerns about the skills. And that's just for an active buff; with lifeless and near-death crush (which Regen should mitigate I hope), we're talking 32.3595x base damage. Drawbacks be damned. The biggest power buff I've seen in any other RPG otherwise was in Pokemon, and the highest multiplier you can get from Pokemon is 4x after stacking 3 two-stage status moves. Normally I'd take into account other skills, but this time, I'm very confident that I don't even have to do that.

Furthermore, from what I've calculated, with just Rage, Blind Rage, and Pure Rage maxed out, the resulting DPS for just the base attack is higher than a Gunman with Coin Shot and a Pellet Spitter-like gun.

I, like Masnam and Jakub, would like the three offensive rages to be added additively, which should amount to...

2+3+2.35=7.35

7.35x base damage. That alone is already a high number as opposed to most RPGs I'm aware of (I only remember buffs in Pokemon and EBF well; I wasn't able to find any info on buffs from the Final Fantasy wiki and I know Phantasy Star II and Shining Force flat out never did buffs. My memory is foggy on Kingdom Hearts despite having played every game except Dream Drop Distance and KH3. I know Mario and Luigi did buffs, but either they were small or the ways to get them were a bit too specific because I can't remember the details).

We're playing a small action RPG, not Hero SImulator or Sephiroth Simulator.

[Swagybob]

even though warriors were the worst class, 14.1x is too much. you could go from a measly 5k-7k output to 70.5k to almost 100k.

[HPTest]

SIR DONT SPEAK ME TO ASK LIKE THAT WAY SIR? WHY DO YOU HATE LON UPDATE WHEN UR NOT EVEN ANGRY AT RPOBBY??? SOIR UR NEED HELP IF YOU THGIKN HATING GAME WILL HAPY TO US FOR YOU!

[GeraltOfRivia]

First thing-why you wanna nerf thing that define warrior class?, and second thing-warrior have biggest skill tree at the moment so just wait till Robby adds more skill to other classes-then it might not sound as OP as it is now.

[viitrix]

First thing-why you wanna nerf thing that define warrior class?, and second thing-warrior have biggest skill tree at the moment so just wait till Robby adds more skill to other classes-then it might not sound as OP as it is now.

You have such a bias because it contirbutes yourself that the warrior class is beyond broken. I made a alt warrior account and i oneshot crabs level 10 and take 0 dmg from them, i am literally stronger than level 25 archers. The warrior class as it is now is more than twice as good as any other class. It is not very enjoyable to grind for hours to level up and buy items, just so warriors that are 20 levels below you deal more dmg than you.