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MaxBlue01
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Re: The game boring fr

Post by MaxBlue01 » Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:23 pm

CrazyVanilla wrote:
Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:55 pm
Not true at all. Poison zone is very OP, but actual pvp fights are very fun and do actually take strategy and skill for the most part (when the server isn't lagging anyway, like it has been recently really badly).

Last i checked, "non-stop spamming skills" isn't a good PvP design for "skilled" fights. And yes, i include the basic attack of gunners. What's fun about fighting someone that spam 1k snakes? What's fun about fighting someone that throw grenades every second? And there are more exemples like that. Legit where are the skills cooldowns just like any game with PvP? Where is the food cooldown to prevent infinite HP / MP regeneration (= near infinite fight, that involve more about eating than fighting)?

CrazyVanilla wrote:
Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:55 pm
While I will agree with some of your points you make, ultimately it is a grinding game. How do you think the "rich" players get "rich"? Even if they P2W, the money has to come from somewhere, someone has to grind it... (...) It still takes hundreds of hours to grind for a max set, that's just the purpose of the game.

One of the problem i have is the AMOUNT of grinding the game force you to do. It should NOT take 50+ hours of non-stop grinding at the SAME enemy *just* to unlock next gear tier (amount of time depending of your progression. And it only goes up the further you progress. If it's already bad at low level, you can guess how bad it is at higher level). And from all the GOOD "grindy" RPG games, i see none that match those times. By far.

CrazyVanilla wrote:
Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:55 pm
Getting equipment as a rich player is no different than getting it as a lower level player. (...) I know one of the big parts of the economy you talk about is runes, but instead of looking at the prices and complaining because they are expensive to buy, why don't you look at it from the other perspective where lower level players can sell these runes for a TON of money. Take for example poison runes, which can be grinded out extremely easily at like level 15-30. You can sell p1 and p2 for 100k+ each, which at that level is a TON of money. As a lower level player, you don't REALLY need runed equipment because you can just buy the next tier equipment to get stronger instead. Runes are only really necessary for higher level equipment where the level gaps are higher and the rune effects are actually meaningful rather than just a little bit of extra damage.

As for the rich players: no, it is NOT the same as the low level player. Rich players have a ressource low level players don't have: LOT of money (and i mean 50M+). They can non-stop trading millions per day, and receive even more and more money every time. Meanwhile, the low level player is still stuck where he is. All the normal trading he can do will only give him from 100 to a few thousands, nothing significant to progress. And no, grinding for ridiculously rare runes (that the low player will likely NEED much later, if he don't want to pay even more) for money isn't a good solution. Not to mention, some high level players are ALSO grinding for those very same runes, at LOW level areas.

CrazyVanilla wrote:
Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:55 pm
Not to mention, the "rich" players tend to sell pre-runed equipment for VERY cheap often times in the vendor. If you look at the prices of some of the gear and compare it to the full worth, there often times are SIGNIFICANT discounts, which helps out up-coming players alot.

For pre-runed equipment: the vendor "shop" price is different (higher) from the clear item's shop price. Idk exactly how the game do the maths behind it. However, most of the time, the pre-runed items are still MORE EXPANSIVE than the clear item from the shops (yes, compared to the separate cost of all runes used, it is cheaper. But it is still more expansive than a clear item). If players can't buy the clear item from the shop, how can they buy the pre-runed item? And like you said: low level players don't need runes. So why bother overpaying a pre-runed item if the runes effects are negligeable?





Joey__ wrote:
Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:34 pm
yep. i want to play this its fun.
also if all this "tons of stuff to fix" is just pellets and wrong level requirments then your exagderating alot
  • level requirments is based off of damage. thats why butcher cleaver is for lvl 58, and bpp is for lvl 50. price also is based on defence/damage.
  • while yes, i do agree p5 pellet spitters are very op for lvl 70 and lower, and how they are almost impossible to kill since they spam pizza and have 1k hp, but lets also think the other way. we have lots of pizza too. and warrior's ninja slash has range of the the whole hill, so high level players with lots of hp can survive p5 pellet for a while. end game warriors can easily 1-3 shot pellet men, and zero is warrior and he has like 2m dmg + 200k defence AND almost 1k hp. pellet men are a small challenge for warriors.
In case you haven't checked, pellet spitter (the gun that like 75%+ of the players use at PvP) require "just" lvl 23. So yeah, guns balance is also a big problem. And like i already said in another discussion, the shop economy is completely broken. I keep saying shop prices are way too expansive comapred to the normal progress a player do. Idc if the amount is calculated by using the attack/defence stat, all i'm saying is the current formula create way too expensive prices.

Last i checked, we aren't all like "Zero". We don't all have 1k HP and 200 defence. Tell me how many warriors have those stats, then tell me how many players (not just gunners btw, since it's a very easy cheesy weapon that ANYONE can use, not just gunners) have p3, p4 or p5 pellet spitter. I still think PvP system is still very unbalanced.

Just because the game "favors" you because you are exploiting those very cheeses, it doesn't mean the game is fair, balanced or fun. In fact, right now, it's the complete opposite.

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Re: The game boring fr

Post by casttle » Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:42 am

go touch grass for more than 4 month, when come back you will see its fun (i have did that lol)

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