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[mammoth-alt]

It seems like botters have become a huge problem with Eliatopia since its official release. Maybe I just didn't see them before, but they are definitely a problem now. It would be great if Robby could install a bot detector to ban players with obviously repetitious behavior.

In the meantime, we can discourage botting by encouraging everyone to record botters. To that end, here is a website that records a screen for free: screencapture.com. It should work on Chrome, Firefox, Edge, and Opera. If you see a botter and have trouble recording videos on your own, try this website.

While this could flood the forum with botter videos, I expect an initial spike followed by a rapid decay. As botters become more wary of being recorded at any time, there will be fewer botters to record.

Of course, you can also use this to make content for a Youtube channel or something like that.

[cinos]

I have single handedly always recorded botters, I even made sure to report on one in his own thread, WHERE ROBBY WAS REPLYING TO, to make sure it would actually be seen, so that a ban would be given.

No response has been made.

The reason botters get away with it is because robby does not discourage cheating by permabanning, you can exploit the game horribly, many times (Galand, triskelion), and still only get a slap on the wrist. Guilds don't do a good job at stopping this either, with every guild somehow accepting both with open arms. This tells me that it is both a robby problem (i.e. he literally doesn't do anything unless provoked enough, or if it directly affects his income), and also a community problem (i.e. nobody gives a shιτ, and you are mocked for doing so). Remember when the community would call out people exploiting the game? I sure do, it was literally a year ago, nowadays it seems that everyone can exploit the game, get a week long ban, and come back as if they didn't do something perma-worthy for the standards of every other community. Simply put, I don't know how basic...uh, "gamer morality" can switch like this in just a year.

tl;dr the community does not care because robby does not try hard enough, probably due to fear of losing profit ala Jarsu.

[Joey!!]

dude, your a botter. ur other account mammoth2 was botting and dont say that wasint u

[cinos]

dude, your a botter. ur other account mammoth2 was botting and dont say that wasint u

Record him then, do what he asks.

[CrazyVanilla]

I have single handedly always recorded botters, I even made sure to report on one in his own thread, WHERE ROBBY WAS REPLYING TO, to make sure it would actually be seen, so that a ban would be given.

No response has been made.

The reason botters get away with it is because robby does not discourage cheating by permabanning, you can exploit the game horribly, many times (Galand, triskelion), and still only get a slap on the wrist. Guilds don't do a good job at stopping this either, with every guild somehow accepting both with open arms. This tells me that it is both a robby problem (i.e. he literally doesn't do anything unless provoked enough, or if it directly affects his income), and also a community problem (i.e. nobody gives a shιτ, and you are mocked for doing so). Remember when the community would call out people exploiting the game? I sure do, it was literally a year ago, nowadays it seems that everyone can exploit the game, get a week long ban, and come back as if they didn't do something perma-worthy for the standards of every other community. Simply put, I don't know how basic...uh, "gamer morality" can switch like this in just a year.

tl;dr the community does not care because robby does not try hard enough, probably due to fear of losing profit ala Jarsu.

Galand got 50m+ taken from his atm, over $50mil of coins plus more than that in item value was removed from players abusing the glitched equipment bug. Botters are banned all the time (usually its only temp if it was like botting for arrow leaderboards or smth). Robby does plenty, people just are horrible at reporting, including yourself in the example you just gave.

You REALLY think the BEST way to report a botter for Robby to see it is by posting a youtube link and giant gif in the replies of a bug report? (which btw, the gif makes it so you can hardly notice the link, I missed it at first myself). Even you should be smarter than that. The bug report was not even one that required other players input because it was about missing emeralds that he purchased from the payvault, there is literally no reason at all for Robby to read any reply on that thread other than one from the thread owner. Players do idiotic things like that, and then complain when other players are not banned, lol.

I have reported quite a few botters and bug abusers myself, and every one of my reports are dealt with accordingly because I make a dedicated thread (or email) about it, providing proof and details, making it clear there is wrongdoing and making it easy for Robby to confirm, and issue a punishment. He is 1 man, he can only do so much, he does not have the time to sit on the forums and read through every single reply to every thread and watch every youtube link posted on the forums. It's not him that's the problem, it's the people doing the reporting that is.

[mammoth-alt]

Joey!!, are you really that simple? As cinos said, record mammoth2 and report him. I reported him in an email thread, but nothing happened to him.

CrazyVanilla, I agree that Robby is not the problem. The problem is that people need to report manually to someone (probably Robby), who then manually bans them. An automatic bot detector would be better. Maybe Robby is working on that right now. It would be a better solution than flooding him with videos of botters.

The idea here is that botters usually will avoid botting if they worry about being recorded and banned. We just need them to think that we are everywhere and that they could be recorded at any time.

[Pro_xGamer]

I support this but i think creating a bot detecter is a hard thing even tho IDK how to programm but idea looks great

[cinos]

I have single handedly always recorded botters, I even made sure to report on one in his own thread, WHERE ROBBY WAS REPLYING TO, to make sure it would actually be seen, so that a ban would be given.

No response has been made.

The reason botters get away with it is because robby does not discourage cheating by permabanning, you can exploit the game horribly, many times (Galand, triskelion), and still only get a slap on the wrist. Guilds don't do a good job at stopping this either, with every guild somehow accepting both with open arms. This tells me that it is both a robby problem (i.e. he literally doesn't do anything unless provoked enough, or if it directly affects his income), and also a community problem (i.e. nobody gives a shιτ, and you are mocked for doing so). Remember when the community would call out people exploiting the game? I sure do, it was literally a year ago, nowadays it seems that everyone can exploit the game, get a week long ban, and come back as if they didn't do something perma-worthy for the standards of every other community. Simply put, I don't know how basic...uh, "gamer morality" can switch like this in just a year.

tl;dr the community does not care because robby does not try hard enough, probably due to fear of losing profit ala Jarsu.

Galand got 50m+ taken from his atm, over $50mil of coins plus more than that in item value was removed from players abusing the glitched equipment bug. Botters are banned all the time (usually its only temp if it was like botting for arrow leaderboards or smth). Robby does plenty, people just are horrible at reporting, including yourself in the example you just gave.

You REALLY think the BEST way to report a botter for Robby to see it is by posting a youtube link and giant gif in the replies of a bug report? (which btw, the gif makes it so you can hardly notice the link, I missed it at first myself). Even you should be smarter than that. The bug report was not even one that required other players input because it was about missing emeralds that he purchased from the payvault, there is literally no reason at all for Robby to read any reply on that thread other than one from the thread owner. Players do idiotic things like that, and then complain when other players are not banned, lol.

I have reported quite a few botters and bug abusers myself, and every one of my reports are dealt with accordingly because I make a dedicated thread (or email) about it, providing proof and details, making it clear there is wrongdoing and making it easy for Robby to confirm, and issue a punishment. He is 1 man, he can only do so much, he does not have the time to sit on the forums and read through every single reply to every thread and watch every youtube link posted on the forums. It's not him that's the problem, it's the people doing the reporting that is.

CV every time robby misreads my threads you blame me (i.e. rage bug, "OH IT'S NOT MY FAULT, YOU JUST DIDN'T REPORT IT CORRECTLY", even though I did and robby is the one who didn't read it right, but you obviously just wanted an excuse to use it so I guess that works), plus when I say the community takes back cheaters with open arms and blames reporters, I mean people exactly like you, so your words mean nothing here.
No, really, every time robby fails to properly comprehend basic things like banning the guy who cheats literally every time a major exploit is found, you go back around and try to call people like me childish for wanting them banned, or, perhaps, for the community to not accept them with open arms, despite the fact he is an αsshole who constantly cheats and has basically nothing of note to say. Somehow it is our fault for even bothering, and not robby's fault for backpedaling over the last time he had any kind of moderation.
Really, every time robby does something wrong, you always try to say it's because he is one guy, one guy who needs money, one guy who can't take care of things...why not just hire moderators? Before you say those need payment, I'm pretty sure basically every discord server, messy subreddit, and 4chan board proves otherwise, but go off I guess.
Anyway I'm done with your shιτ, the fact an apologist like you even bothers replying proves how much the community rather blame those who do the bare minimum of reporting, because it's "not cool" to "stir up drama", over someone who has cheated and will cheat, and people like you accepting him back with open arms cannot possibly fathom not accepting these people back.

feel free to type your fifty paragraphs of excuses as for how your lot always takes back cheaters or is found cheating.

[Joey!!]

dude, your a botter. ur other account mammoth2 was botting and dont say that wasint u

Record him then, do what he asks.

cant, i dont got yt channel and that thing he gots is only 7 day free trail, plus it was like 2 days ago i saw him

[CrazyVanilla]

CV every time robby misreads my threads you blame me (i.e. rage bug, "OH IT'S NOT MY FAULT, YOU JUST DIDN'T REPORT IT CORRECTLY", even though I did and robby is the one who didn't read it right, but you obviously just wanted an excuse to use it so I guess that works), plus when I say the community takes back cheaters with open arms and blames reporters, I mean people exactly like you, so your words mean nothing here.
No, really, every time robby fails to properly comprehend basic things like banning the guy who cheats literally every time a major exploit is found, you go back around and try to call people like me childish for wanting them banned, or, perhaps, for the community to not accept them with open arms, despite the fact he is an αsshole who constantly cheats and has basically nothing of note to say. Somehow it is our fault for even bothering, and not robby's fault for backpedaling over the last time he had any kind of moderation.
Really, every time robby does something wrong, you always try to say it's because he is one guy, one guy who needs money, one guy who can't take care of things...why not just hire moderators? Before you say those need payment, I'm pretty sure basically every discord server, messy subreddit, and 4chan board proves otherwise, but go off I guess.
Anyway I'm done with your shιτ, the fact an apologist like you even bothers replying proves how much the community rather blame those who do the bare minimum of reporting, because it's "not cool" to "stir up drama", over someone who has cheated and will cheat, and people like you accepting him back with open arms cannot possibly fathom not accepting these people back.

feel free to type your fifty paragraphs of excuses as for how your lot always takes back cheaters or is found cheating.

The fact you still think the bug was because of rage shows you did not report it correctly, or don't even know what it is. You reported "rage stays active when you switch weapons" and guess what, that is exactly what Robby fixed because now if you activate rage and switch weapons, it disables. And he even confirmed that you were saying rage was the issue, and you said yes. How on earth can you blame him for fixing exactly what you reported?

I'd like for you to showcase some examples where Robby fails to punish someone who uses a major exploit when there is concrete proof against them and an actual player report thread (or email), because I can't really recall any examples. Sure, maybe you didn't agree with the punishment that was given, but thats an entirely different thing, and quite honestly, doesn't matter at all.

I have absolutely no idea what you are even talking about with me not wanting cheaters banned? Out of everyone in this game, I would bet I am the one that has reported players / bugs that has gotten the most people banned / punished. Not to mention I am the one who suggested Robby be more strict on punishments, which he has been since then, and has been very nice to see. But yes, when you include a random youtube link and a giant gif in the replies of a completely unrelated bug report and complain that Robby does nothing because he didn't watch it and ban them, it is most definitely your fault.

But yes, Robby is only one man, he cannot possibly see everything or catch everything himself, that is the whole point of the forums in the first place, so he can interact with the community and see any issues. And if you ask me, he does a pretty dang good job. If you're suggesting that moderators don't need to be paid, then why don't you do it yourself? It only takes 2 minutes for Robby to actually ban someone, you don't need the ability to do it yourself. So why don't you spend your time going around, gathering evidence, and reporting bugs / players to Robby in a way he can actually see it and take action on it? You play this game and claim to like it, but all you do is complain and criticize Robby. If you really want to make things better, there are PLENTY of things you can do to help Robby, but all I see you do is complain. Complain he doesn't ban people he has no idea were doing something wrong, complain it's his fault he doesn't know because he he didn't read every single forum reply and watch every youtube video posted on the forums, complain he needs to make money to live, complain even when he does issue a punishment that its not as harsh as you wanted. How are you not sick of yourself? I can assure you, everyone else is sick of you.


As for the actual point of this thread - automoderation / autoban to detect botting.

It could be helpful, it also would likely be a lot of work to make it work properly, and also probably would give A LOT of false signals. An anti-cheat is probably one of the hardest things to make for a game, especially for things like botting, because of how difficult it is to distinguish a botter from a real player, and also how sophisticated botting programs can be. I'll give an example, for whipmasters to kill Colossal, they are extremely "computer-like". What I mean is, they just sit there and spam tornado and heal mp the entire time, thats it. A basic anti-cheat, likely would detect that as botting, which obviously would be a false signal. And sure, maybe that 1 instance could be fixed, but there are 1,000 more instances just like that.

Don't get me wrong it would be great to have something like this, that even just works a little bit, however I don't think its worth it to add anytime soon because of the time commitment it would take. Elia isn't really that big yet, so players just reporting botters is very effective (as long as they actually do it).