About the wishing well

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Re: About the wishing well

Post by MaxBlue01 » Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:12 pm

MrQuiwito wrote:
Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:02 am
All of this for 200k splitted between 10 players, bruh just grind the money and forget about wishing well's existance. Also about timezones just NO. Timezone should stay as it is.



The coin magnet thing i agree with you, but since its just a p2w payvault skill isnt weird that give players the advantage of buying it.
1) Right now, the money from the wishing well is RARELY split. It's more like whoever have the lucky jump at the right place and at the right time who get like 90% money. I'm certain this way is NOT INTENDED, nor fair for everyone. Coin magnet just make it even worse.

2) Do you even understand the problem about IRL timezones? There is very likely players all around the world, with DIFFERENT PLAYING TIMES. Do you expect everyone in the world can play at the exact same time? Even those who are playing in the middle of the night? Can YOU play in the middle of the night? (like at 3-4 AM). In case you didn't study in class, America (or wherever you live, but judging from your comment, i think it's a good guess) is NOT the only country on Earth. Stop acting like the world should follow YOUR rules and YOUR time. Because that's not how the real world work.

3) Maybe you can farm titanium droids (i didn't bothered to check your account, and frankly, i don't care). However, ther is like 95%+ of players who can't do that. They are stuck for exemple at being lvl 40 with only lvl 20 gear, because everthing cost too much money for the boosts we get. Since we can barely get stronger, we can't fight strong monster effectively, which mean a much slower lvl up. And no, grinding the same enemy for 30+ hours is NOT fun. The wishing well was supposed to be one solution to help NORMAL players with extra money. Yet we keep seeing lvl 90+ players (who SHOULD be able to farm strong enemies) invading the event with their coin magnet, because they are too lazy and want to be more capitalist, without giving the others a fair chance at playing the game.

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Re: About the wishing well

Post by Robby » Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:15 pm

Thanks for the detailed suggestions!

1. I went ahead and made it so that the wishing well will spit out coins at noon UTC time as well. So that means every 12 hours now, instead of every 24. Hopefully that should fix some of the time issues for players around the world. Also, it'll spit out 20% more coins each time. :)

2. I went ahead and moved the wishing well a little more towards the center of its little area. It'll now spit out coins in a 360 degree region instead of just a sort of 180 area. I also moved back some obstacles a little bit so hopefully no coins should get stuck in them.

3. I went ahead and disabled coin magnet for wishing well coins. It was pretty rigged and super easy to gobble up all coins if you jumped at the well while it was spitting them out with coin magnet on your character.

Hopefully those fixes should address all of the things you mentioned. :) They will all be present when next patch is released.

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Re: About the wishing well

Post by MrQuiwito » Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:00 pm

MaxBlue01 wrote:
Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:12 pm
MrQuiwito wrote:
Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:02 am
All of this for 200k splitted between 10 players, bruh just grind the money and forget about wishing well's existance. Also about timezones just NO. Timezone should stay as it is.



The coin magnet thing i agree with you, but since its just a p2w payvault skill isnt weird that give players the advantage of buying it.
1) Right now, the money from the wishing well is RARELY split. It's more like whoever have the lucky jump at the right place and at the right time who get like 90% money. I'm certain this way is NOT INTENDED, nor fair for everyone. Coin magnet just make it even worse.

2) Do you even understand the problem about IRL timezones? There is very likely players all around the world, with DIFFERENT PLAYING TIMES. Do you expect everyone in the world can play at the exact same time? Even those who are playing in the middle of the night? Can YOU play in the middle of the night? (like at 3-4 AM). In case you didn't study in class, America (or wherever you live, but judging from your comment, i think it's a good guess) is NOT the only country on Earth. Stop acting like the world should follow YOUR rules and YOUR time. Because that's not how the real world work.

3) Maybe you can farm titanium droids (i didn't bothered to check your account, and frankly, i don't care). However, ther is like 95%+ of players who can't do that. They are stuck for exemple at being lvl 40 with only lvl 20 gear, because everthing cost too much money for the boosts we get. Since we can barely get stronger, we can't fight strong monster effectively, which mean a much slower lvl up. And no, grinding the same enemy for 30+ hours is NOT fun. The wishing well was supposed to be one solution to help NORMAL players with extra money. Yet we keep seeing lvl 90+ players (who SHOULD be able to farm strong enemies) invading the event with their coin magnet, because they are too lazy and want to be more capitalist, without giving the others a fair chance at playing the game.
2am event for me, used to be 3 am but i moved to a different city, and i have been in many wishing well drops since it was released, the first 34 times i went there i got nothing due to a bug that made wishing well useless(NO DROPS). Im from spain, not USA btw.
Any player can get easily money if they grind, this has been proven through the years with new updates, so a pointless full of mistakes suggestion about changin an event that moves 0,1% of daily game economy(Im sure is less), its what a nub do in a failed attemp of getting money

You pretend to change event time based on each player location, with that logic every hour the same account can go there and get money, also the wishing well drops DAILY(1time per day) so its pointless to change the time depending on the player location.



JUST GRIND, ITS THE PURPOSE OF RPGS
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Re: About the wishing well

Post by Joey!! » Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:18 pm

MaxBlue01 wrote:
Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:12 pm




America is NOT the only country on Earth. Stop acting like the world should follow YOUR rules and YOUR time.
man thats what i hate so much about you, your such a hypocrite.
you think everyone should follow your rules, and that robby should like add all your ideas or something :lol: idk i think thats how your mind works and thats a pretty good guess

and then u tell people not to do it. you trying to takeover elia or something? everyone has a voice
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Re: About the wishing well

Post by cinos » Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:17 pm

edk wrote:
Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:08 am
I feel for the brokies.

When I was there for maybe a week straight eachnight, I took the money, ALL of it every single time because of coin magnet. Averaged like 400k per day from the wishing well and it does not really do me much but for them like level 30-60;s who were mainly there it can take them a long way.

So I support what this gentleman has said as I would like more people to play the game and them getting more money will encourage them to do so :mrgreen:
400k? I refuse to believe that, no way do people leave that many coins unpicked.
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Re: About the wishing well

Post by edk » Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:38 pm

cinos wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:17 pm
edk wrote:
Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:08 am
I feel for the brokies.

When I was there for maybe a week straight eachnight, I took the money, ALL of it every single time because of coin magnet. Averaged like 400k per day from the wishing well and it does not really do me much but for them like level 30-60;s who were mainly there it can take them a long way.

So I support what this gentleman has said as I would like more people to play the game and them getting more money will encourage them to do so :mrgreen:
400k? I refuse to believe that, no way do people leave that many coins unpicked.
400k easily, i use to average like 500k and got 800k once
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Re: About the wishing well

Post by cinos » Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:49 pm

edk wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:38 pm
cinos wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:17 pm
edk wrote:
Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:08 am
I feel for the brokies.

When I was there for maybe a week straight eachnight, I took the money, ALL of it every single time because of coin magnet. Averaged like 400k per day from the wishing well and it does not really do me much but for them like level 30-60;s who were mainly there it can take them a long way.

So I support what this gentleman has said as I would like more people to play the game and them getting more money will encourage them to do so :mrgreen:
400k? I refuse to believe that, no way do people leave that many coins unpicked.
400k easily, i use to average like 500k and got 800k once
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Re: About the wishing well

Post by monkeymon » Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:30 am

coin magnet is now more p2w
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Re: About the wishing well

Post by Bill_Rizer » Sat Aug 20, 2022 3:39 pm

I support this, as someone who is going to be able to reach that location soon, I would really like to have a fair chance at getting it. I am in a good timezone for it, but I don't think a good timezone is going to help if people can just abuse their coin magnets.

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Re: About the wishing well

Post by MaxBlue01 » Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:33 pm

MrQuiwito wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:00 pm

2am event for me, used to be 3 am but i moved to a different city, and i have been in many wishing well drops since it was released, the first 34 times i went there i got nothing due to a bug that made wishing well useless(NO DROPS). Im from spain, not USA btw.
Any player can get easily money if they grind, this has been proven through the years with new updates, so a pointless full of mistakes suggestion about changin an event that moves 0,1% of daily game economy(Im sure is less), its what a nub do in a failed attemp of getting money

You pretend to change event time based on each player location, with that logic every hour the same account can go there and get money, also the wishing well drops DAILY(1time per day) so its pointless to change the time depending on the player location.



JUST GRIND, ITS THE PURPOSE OF RPGS
The point is right now, only a small percentage of players can go to wishing well event. And this is especially more true in areas at the world with bad timezones with the current serrver time. Maybe you are lucky enough to play at 2 AM, but i'm telling you this: there are lot more players who can't to it. Again, you aren't alone in the world

"any player can get easily money if they grind". I don't see your "proof through updates" since the main issue was never fixed to begin with, all we got each update is a worse situation by keep adding exponential grind. The issue with the game is the AMOUNT of grind that is required to buy the next set (and therefore progressing through the game). What's the point of farming 30k per hour at lvl 30-40 if the next set cost a total of 2M for the 4 armor pieces (500k x 4), 400k for the accessory, and 300k for the weapon? In case you didn't do the math, the total price of that new gear is 2.7M. At 50k/hour, that's around 90 hours of grinding. 90 real-life hours used to kill pretty much the same monster over and over again. Does this look fun to you? And in case you aren't aware, the higher the level you are, the WORSE it get. The game is easliy build to make you grind 90 hours for the next set, and then it's 130 hours, and then it's 200 hours, and so on... And don't give me the excuse of "global xp exist": as far as i'm aware, either you are an extremly high level to join such a guild, or there are strict requirements (not to mention, global xp does NOTHING about the coins you get).

I'm not asking to ban grinding, but it should be HUMANLY REASONABLE (in other words: NOT TEDIOUS). We aren't all stuck 24/24 every day playing this game (maybe you are, but once again, you aren't alone in the world). Maybe you think it's acceptable to keep grinding the same monster over and over again for a ridiculous amount of time just to progress the story. Well news flash kid: it's not. And it's not the case for any popular RPG. So if Robby added the wishing well to help NORMAL players getting a little more money, that's to HELP those players, not to help p2w lvl 90+ players who keep using exploits + coin magnets.

Judging from your last remark, you still don't understand my suggestion at all (and my reasoning) (I'm seriously wondering if you even read the first post at all). Maybe you are mixing up your real-time with the server time, so let me try to explain again:
event time:

current situation:
server time: 0:00 AM
YOUR real time (in spain according to you): 2:00 AM

MY suggestion:
server time: 0:00 AM (it will NOT match real time with my suggestion)
YOUR real time: cycles through the following times IN ORDER (one every 20 hours): 2:00 AM, 10:00 PM, 6:00 PM, 2:00 PM, 10:00 AM, 6:00 AM, 2:00 AM (then repeat). This is NOT every hour, like you thought.

Robby suggestion (while i'm at it):
server time: 0:00 AM and 0:00 PM
YOUR real time: 2:00 AM and 2:00 PM

With the current situation, only part of the players in the world can join the event. There are parts of the real world that make it much harder for kids to play the game in the middle of the night. With MY suggestion, i attempted to give EVERYONE in the world a fair chance to have access to this event more regularly (maybe not at the same time as everyone else in the world, but eventually, everyone will have opportunities to join the event). With Robby suggestion, all it did was moving from my idea of making the event happen every 20 hours, to making the event happen every 12 hours. While everyone will still be able to join at least one event per day, it is true there will be players who are able to do it twice per day. But again, one of my goals was thinking about a way to make the event easily accessible regularly for everyone, regardless of your position in the world (because the game work with a FIXED time for EVERYONE in the world, however the server time is INDEPENDANT with the player's real time, which can lead to the player being unable to play at a specific time, like during the wishing well event.)


Joey!! wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:18 pm

man thats what i hate so much about you, your such a hypocrite.
you think everyone should follow your rules, and that robby should like add all your ideas or something :lol: idk i think thats how your mind works and thats a pretty good guess

and then u tell people not to do it. you trying to takeover elia or something? everyone has a voice
hypocrite: noun, someone who says they have particular moral beliefs but behaves in way that shows these are not sincere

Last i checked, you don't know me personally (and i don't know about you), so i strongly doubt you have any clue about my real values and beliefs. By your own logic, i can just as easily say YOU are an hypocrite, js. I'm not looking for fame, i'm just trying to help improving the game.

The reason i wish "everyone should follow my rules" (which aren't RULES, but SUGGESTIONS i made) is because i believe those suggestions can really HELP the game getting better overall. Tell me what's wrong about me trying to make the event more fair for everyone? More accessible for everyone? I don't see you complain about what's actually wrong with my ideas, you aren't even trying to discuss it. Also, i didn't forced Robby in any way to do it. It's his right to believe my suggestions are pertinent. it's his right to consider if my suggestions (or anyone's else suggestion) is worth adding to the game. All i can do is keep the discussion going so that more and more players can read about it, so that it can recieve more and more opinions. Just because you don't understand my suggestion, that's doesn't make me a bad person. You want Robby to add something comming from you? Then suggest something that can ACTUALLY help the game.

All i'm seeing about you is some kind of male version of a Karen who is angry because someone ELSE (other than you) have an actual good idea that benefit the whole community. You know what's it's called about your situation? it's jealously. Plain and simple.

"everyone has a voice". In case you didn't noticed, i'm also included in the "everyone" part. And i'm doing just that: sharing my voice, my opinion, my suggestions. There is nothing wrong about having pertinent criticism as long as it's justified (which i did, and which you did NOT). Yes, that's "how my mind work", and i don't think it's a bad thing in this case. Granted, i may write more than most people, because i want to explain my reasoning behind my suggestions. However, writing a lot does NOT make me a hypocrite. All it shows is i'm trying to be thorough, i recognised a clear problem, and i'm trying to PROPOSE a solution. Notice how Robby didn't took ALL my suggestions as i wrote them. He adapted them with what HE think should be added to the game.



To both Joey and MrQuiwito: if you have nothing pertinent to say about my suggestions, go somewhere else. Me and most of the readers here are seriously tired of your toxicity, jealously crisis or your inability to read what others are saying. Seriously, stop harass me (or anyone else). I did nothing against you, so stop provoking me and leave me alone.

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