Horrible fire rates for gunman.

[cinos]

Pellet Spitter gunmen be like:


But on a serious note, well, I'll address what I can.

lmao are you stupid? Two handed weapons are USUALLY better for everything! There is no "op mechanic" here, it was as simple as two handed weapons being faster and dealing more damage overall, with the only times that's different being runes like fire on havoc.

you're a moron.

Cinos, you're wrong on that regard. There are some key differences in regards to one-handed weapons and two-handed weapons in regards to how they work.:

One-Handed Weapons (dual-wields specifically since hardly anyone uses shields outside of PvP apparently)

+ Faster attacks, generally
+ Higher dps, generally
+ Higher poison rune damage each second if fully enchanted (note that Poison damage is fixed across all weapons)
+ Some skills benefit from higher speed (ex. Storm Cloud and Power Smash)
+ More likely to trigger ice effect

- More expensive (typically about 30-50% more)
- Lower raw damage, generally
- Harder to fully enchant
- More costly in terms of ammunition
- Some skills don't benefit from dual-wielding

Two-Handed Weapons

+ Higher raw damage
+ Easier to fully enchant
+ Some skills benefit from higher power (ex. Explosive and Lava Smash, Orbs, Magic Breath)
+ Cheaper
+ Less costly in ammunition

- Slower attacks, generally
- Lower dps, generally
- Lower poison rune damage each second if fully enchanted
- Some skills are better with dual-wielding
- Less likely to trigger ice effect

So no, not one wielding style is better for everything; each style has their pros and cons.

"Oh no. Robby nerfed the OP 1-handed guns that dominated late game areas grind + PvP areas. Now i can't pretend to be good and have to actually learn how to play efficiently against other classes". - Several mid-late cowboy players who relied on abusing OP mechanics-

"Finally, i was tired of being spawn-camped or instant shot by cowboys withouth being able to do anything in PvP areas. Finally, i can do better at late game areas." - Pretty much everyone else, which is a good majority of players-

I'm in agreement here. While, yes, camping is a strategy in any PvP game (my brother would know; he played plenty of FPSs), it is definitely the most frowned-upon one. Usually camping is a "skill issue" dealie. Plus the Pit is supposed to be highly risky yet fair for those willing to take the risk, and with camping minimizing the risk without mastering a class, it's kinda unfair to those more willing to master each class. While I can't exactly claim that one-handed guns are OP, I do believe this would definitely help people who prefer two-handed guns, even those past the Pellet Spitter.

I mean...yeah? I know that's how it should be, but the damage increase on two handed guns is...WELL what can I say? Pitiful! It doesn't HAVE any special uses like two handed swords (fire rage), they are essentially as worthless as staves rn. Imo the change is simple, give them MORE damage, I mean they are incredibly slow, bowling ball gun especially, so why not actually give decent damage? In basically all regards, gunmen prioritize gun speed, it's why people love BPB and not the hemlocks (alongside having a weaker firing sound imo), speed is everything, and poison is everything for the class, the launch of poison resistance shows that clear as day, it is THE gunman rune, it basically always has been.

So just make it stronger, don't make dual guns worse to make two handeds good...because like, you know, nobody is going to BUY them after they spent ages adding p5 to their dual drill, ice cream cone armor guns.

[MaxBlue01]

lmao are you stupid? Two handed weapons are USUALLY better for everything! There is no "op mechanic" here, it was as simple as two handed weapons being faster and dealing more damage overall, with the only times that's different being runes like fire on havoc.

you're a moron.

Two handed weapons are usually worse, for example the saw zooka is so bad that even one pistol was better than more expensive zooka. Only pellet spitter was a good two handed gun.

Yes, but this nerf doesn't make two handeds good, it just makes one handeds shιτ! Why not, you know, BUFF THE DAMAGE for the two handed weapons? That's basically the only way those can be viable, not making the good weapons shιτ.

also I meant "one" handed, @CV, it was a typo, apologies.

So your plan is to make MORE guns weapons unstoppable when fighting any other class in PvP? Pretty sure cowboy dominate PvP right now, and the guns is ONE part of it (and don't give me the BS of "just dodge it lol", because with such attack speed, it is very easy for cowboys to "anticipate" movements and always hit with LOT of damage, without others players being able to do anything at all).

I still think we need to have a better balance of classes. Otherwise, what's the point of playing classes like warrior if they stand no chance at all against cowboy? And no, making every attack of every class being able to 1-hit kill anyone with good defence is NOT what should be PvP. Ideally, PvP require gameplay skill, not spammable and undodgeable attacks. (poison zone's area coverage is massive, which further increase how OP guns are right now)

[mike]

eh cowboy is still alright, this is more of a mobility nerf than an actual nerf on the guns. they just became slow. Cowboys still have that juicy money power

[cinos]

eh cowboy is still alright, this is more of a mobility nerf than an actual nerf on the guns. they just became slow. Cowboys still have that juicy money power

I still think the guns being slow is actual horseshιτ tho since it makes pvp worse.